tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post6941212458089143364..comments2024-01-30T01:39:56.217-06:00Comments on The Spirit of Institutions: In praise of organizational dissatisfactionMichael Bischoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13196064668170667389noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-59750130628604578642009-07-12T17:13:10.352-05:002009-07-12T17:13:10.352-05:00The dissatisfaction may not just be internal.
If...The dissatisfaction may not just be internal. <br /><br />If I recall, in ~1998, TCFM had a desire to house the homeless. Members wanted to join with the St.Paul Council of Churches in their program. The Council wanted us to swear (affirm) to their creed. <br /><br />I just checked the Council's website, www.spacc.org. It is <br />much different than it was in 1990.<br /><br />And the directory of organizations they are willing to work with has expanded to more than 53 pages.<br /><br />http://www.spacc.org/vertical/Sites/%7B4A0682E3-A686-4085-83C3-1193C4BF8E5A%7D/uploads/%7BAECAAE4E-043A-4CD5-A863-BD10E9256E2E%7D.PDFJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09300183392646818656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-9306321519810736042009-07-12T03:48:09.231-05:002009-07-12T03:48:09.231-05:00hi, i happen to browse your blog n find it quite i...hi, i happen to browse your blog n find it quite interesting.i am very sure that GOD is at work in all of us-individuals,organisation,small or big groups. All things are done according to His plan and purpose.Ephesians 1:11Simply Great Foodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295017805182642762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-83703967444699153712009-07-11T04:00:12.573-05:002009-07-11T04:00:12.573-05:00Hi,
I was just browsing and then came across your...Hi,<br /><br />I was just browsing and then came across your blog and seen the articles you post.<br /><br />Yes, I do agree with you stand on God and his Love for all human kind, a pure, everlasting Love.<br /><br />Do look into my blogs -<br />http://voicewithin-roh.blogspot.com<br /><br />and be free to leave your comments as it can help me enhance my knowledge too.<br /><br />Thanks for your post my friend. <br /><br />Good day!Rohinihttp://voicewithin-roh.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-13261093937317520662009-07-09T13:56:26.399-05:002009-07-09T13:56:26.399-05:00I think it true to say that God loves life, and do...I think it true to say that God loves life, and doesn't want to perpetuate dead institutions. At the same time, it also makes me think about this Bible passage:<br /><br />"He [God] causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get?" Matthew 5:45-46<br /><br />I think that God loves us all, individually and collectively (as peoples and organizations). I think God also calls us all towards being more whole--closer to a right relationship with God and the universe. In that way, I think God loves dysfunctional, harmful organizations, just as God loves individuals who have become lost and cause harm. In that love, I think God is always calling us closer to shalom. For some organizations, moving closer to shalom might mean closing the organization. In other cases, it might involve the redeeming the true calling of the organization.Michael Bischoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13196064668170667389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-5484602795149766692009-07-09T11:20:31.425-05:002009-07-09T11:20:31.425-05:00I have a reaction to "God loves institutions....I have a reaction to "God loves institutions." Maybe closer to my understanding of Truth is "God loves <b><i>living</i></b> institutions." Or, "God loves institutions that live love."<br /><br />It has to to do with not having a single bottom line. <br /><br />Love, care for everyone's well being, that sort of thing.<br /><br />And Nettie's comment speaks to my condition as well: frustration and anger and irritation can all point to an underlying sense of <b><i>caring</i></b> about how things are (or aren't) going.<br /><br />Blessings,<br />Liz Opp, <a href="http://thegoodraisedup.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">The Good Raised Up</a>Liz Opphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09802348848085930901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-64297637473176285672009-07-03T11:09:41.695-05:002009-07-03T11:09:41.695-05:00Thanks for adding to the conversation, Karin, Jim,...Thanks for adding to the conversation, Karin, Jim, and Yaseen. I really appreciate the nuances that each of you brought out.<br /><br />I love the idea of a company songbook. I think that could be useful even when there isn't a shortage of work to do. It might be a way to increase productivity, not just compensate for it when things are slow.Michael Bischoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13196064668170667389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-13534593528069604062009-07-02T07:59:19.601-05:002009-07-02T07:59:19.601-05:00This made me think about dissatisfaction Ive had i...This made me think about dissatisfaction Ive had in my work experience with companies. according to what has been commented on I agree i did have love for the work but maybe not how it was getting done. It may be difficult in organizations where you feel powerless due to policy or management. At the end of the day you are an employee, so you may feel either get with the flow or hut the door or get fired. Passion for your work and self responsibility may contradict organization policy or others perspectives or viewpoints which may sometimes demoralize an institution. It seems that nowadays few people have passion and more people have position. Hope you follow me. Any way enjoyed the posts. And I am getting a good look at how insitutions in the mid east function. By the way Egypt is great and the sea is lovely.Yaseen Domineckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16592855389908322731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-4825721044449160632009-06-20T12:32:06.666-05:002009-06-20T12:32:06.666-05:00What does the leader of a company do when the econ...What does the leader of a company do when the economy crashes? A metaphor would be what does the captain of a ship do when his ship runs aground on a hidden sand bar? There are a number of options. Surely there is dissatisfaction all around.<br /><br />In 1970 I was hired by IBM. The desk assigned to me had stuff in it that I would have to move. Some of the stuff was company songbooks. Company Songbooks!!! I asked the oldest fellow there about them and he said "Yah we used to sing out of them when we didn't have any work." It seemed that Tom Watson Sr. did not believe in laying off his employees. So during the Great Depression he had his employees create a songbook so that when they came to the office they would have something to do. The employees of that era of IBM seemed to be satisfied with their organization.<br />http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/ibmsongbook.html<br /><br />Today's buzz word is CSR( corporate social responsibility) to keep everyone satisfied. As always, it is a work in process.<br />http://www-935.ibm.com/services/us/gbs/bus/pdf/gbe03019-usen-02.pdfJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09300183392646818656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-63831334323603772009-06-19T11:24:06.974-05:002009-06-19T11:24:06.974-05:00I have not read works by Carol Bly, but one of the...I have not read works by Carol Bly, but one of the largest reasons people create corporations is so that they can say "the corporation is responsible--not me in my personal life." <br /><br />Not all organizations are created to avoid responsibility. But avoidance of responsibility can be a by-product of group decision-making.<br /><br />Michael's piece makes me think that the people who are dissatisfied are showing that they feel some sense of responsibility. Their sense of responsibility shows they care about the consequences. This is a form of love. It's appreciating the consequences of certain decisions.<br /><br />The balance is to care enough to try to be responsible--while still recognizing one's limitations.<br /><br />Not very easy, is it?Karinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-54132410032890189182009-06-16T16:40:31.863-05:002009-06-16T16:40:31.863-05:00Thanks for stopping by, Jim. Sadly, Carol Bly died...Thanks for stopping by, Jim. Sadly, Carol Bly died a little more than a year ago. <br /><br />I just read some excerpts from "Changing the Bully Who Rules the World." In one passage, she warns that "the devil will come as a legion of genuinely nice people in a corporation." <br /><br />Here's the rest of that passage:<br /><br />"No one wants to say unpleasant things such as "What we did last year will no longer work because the situation is different" or "What we felt proud of last year turns out, in retrospect, to have been a poor action. We need to talk to people who know more than we know to get a better perspective on our purpose here." Churches and other idealistic groups are especially vulnerable to this kind of group-think because they think they must keep their meetings affectionate and high-spirited; they tend to make sure that there must be a group "high." Without it, the meeting won't be religiously correct. Hence we hear such language as "we were really excited" and "we felt such a oneness." But when the goal of feeling good from minute to minute is greater than the goal of being discerning about bad judgment, then a group is vulnerable to this aspect of group-think."Michael Bischoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13196064668170667389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-20530564457268907582009-06-16T14:56:51.112-05:002009-06-16T14:56:51.112-05:00Corporations are not material. They are a legal co...Corporations are not material. They are a legal construct, even when they anthropomorphize a rodent such as Mickey Mouse. They are created within the laws of a government which is also a construct.<br />For a view of Ethics and Corporations see: Carol Bly's "Changing the Bully Who Rules the World...". I assume she still lives a couple of blocks from Snelling Avenue and she might have updates on her book of 12 years ago. At one time she loved to have conversations while eating greasy hamburgers.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09300183392646818656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-53488821587831423342009-06-15T21:18:04.361-05:002009-06-15T21:18:04.361-05:00Thanks, Jeanne and Nettie. I think that you each o...Thanks, Jeanne and Nettie. I think that you each of your comments help clarify and elaborate on the essence that I was trying to get at.Michael Bischoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13196064668170667389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-30881194393033999182009-06-15T19:52:10.224-05:002009-06-15T19:52:10.224-05:00I 've never thought of the idea that dissatisf...I 've never thought of the idea that dissatisfaction indicates a love but it makes sense. If we don't care we don't feel dissatisfied. It gives me a new way of thinking about my former employer Minneapolis Public Schools.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01911642304151740565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6138067676455417641.post-69527068634195303532009-06-15T18:08:09.199-05:002009-06-15T18:08:09.199-05:00God loves AIG, but not its focus solely on ONE bot...God loves AIG, but not its focus solely on ONE bottom line.<br /><br />God loves me, but not when I focus only one ONE bottom line.<br /><br />Unfortunately, our culture supports this particular focus in individuals and organizations.Jeannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00905850036743973387noreply@blogger.com